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Post by JumpinJehoshaphat on Jun 1, 2005 1:05:55 GMT -5
Ok, so there's word going around that donkey and i are the same. well in this thread, we will sort this matter out. Now, you can side with me and the sorry excuse for a mexican pony or join the group who believe we are the same. ( which is ridiculous ) So pick a side and then voice your opinion. Me and Donkey already have ours. So i'll let the believers start first.
Team UnB: J.J., donkey
Team B: Nick, Norelia
(once you pick a side i will add you to the team)
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Post by Nick on Jun 1, 2005 4:23:59 GMT -5
Can we make the names of the teams different? How about we first get a few people on each team, maybe two on two (so I just need to get another teammate) and then we could decide the names of the teams then we could start. The one team makes a point, the other team counters it and states their point. It'll be kind've like Doubles in Ping Pong. J.J. will state a point, then I will counter and state a point, then Donkey will counter and state a point, then my partner will counter and state a point, etc...kk? Is that good with you J.J.?
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Post by Alegna on Jun 1, 2005 7:24:52 GMT -5
geez i dont know which side to take.. i mean i have reason to believe they are the same,at the same time i have reason to believe they're different.. one or the other side is gonna have to try and convince me, cause im stuck in the middle..
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Post by Nick on Jun 1, 2005 9:23:19 GMT -5
So you're not joining a team? Oh well, okay. Anyone else out there wanna join a team?
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Post by JumpinJehoshaphat on Jun 1, 2005 12:07:27 GMT -5
Sounds good nick. good luck finding a teammate. i'll modify the teams when you think of one.
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Post by Nick on Jun 1, 2005 12:32:30 GMT -5
Hmmm...okay, not that many people get on this site, for now, until we start recruiting so...do you think that these could be teams for a while. The judges could be Norelia and Alegna for now? Or do you think that we need judges who have absolutely nothing to do with the matter?
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Post by donkey on Jun 1, 2005 12:47:41 GMT -5
i think that we should just skip the rules. lets start debating.
teams for now
believers --jumping jo --donkey
unbelievers --little nicky
undecided --alegna
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Post by donkey on Jun 1, 2005 13:00:46 GMT -5
Me and donkey already have ours. sorry to bash on my teammate, jumping jo, but have you ever seen me use incorrect grammer. there may have been a slip at one point or another, and i know that intentionally was making fun of people a few times. I never used such blattently incorrect grammer, however. this is my first argument. secondly, jumping jo is more clever than i. he came up with such great names: believers and unbelievers. that was awesome. he didn't even have to say anything to get you mad nick. on the other hand, i have to go to great lengths to get you upset. although jj could have done better and called you the unbelievers, he did quite a magnificant job of making you mad without even insulting you. my third and final point is that i thought originally that jj did call you guys the unbelievers hence my incorrect teams in the previous post. i just now figured out that i'm wrong. now i would like to petition a change of the team names to what i thought they should be. you guys don't believe that we're different. we do. that is why the believers (jj and me) get to go first. i assumed the role of going first. retort that nicky
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Post by Nick on Jun 1, 2005 13:50:55 GMT -5
First of all, to debate your first point. In that very post, in the very same paragraph you used the pronoun I in lower case. You even started the entire paragraph with a lower case letter which is gramatically incorrect.
Secondly, you may say that JJ is smarter than you, but how would that prove anything if you are indeed the same person? Gathering from your Role Playing abilities anyone could see that you can act and therefore put on different ways of speaking and acting corresponding with the different names that you might've created.
Thirdly, you obviously noticed that you misquoted the teams and therefore, if you noticed your misquotation so quickly and without any help from anyone you most probably had planned to misquote to strengthen your point. Which is, I admit, a very good way of strengthening your point, although I wouldn't have had the topic of the names of the teams.
((About the names of the teams, I believe that each side should come up with their own names. I will not pick the name of my team until I get a partner. You, however, have two members which makes you a full team. You two can debate what your name should be. As for in the meantime you can call my team Team B.))
Alright, my first point is a simple and not very strong point. There is a similarity which I have noticed between JJ and Donkey. They both, whenever listing their teams always put themselves first and me second. As I said before, this is not a very strong point though.
Secondly, JJ and Donkey are usually complimenting each other and I have never seen them, in all their randomness, ask the other what they are referring to, or what they are saying. Usually they are posting with the same fluid thought and pattern.
Thirdly, is it not odd that one registered 14 days ago and the other 15 days ago? If Donkey wanted to invite a friend, why wouldn't he do it when he was posting as Nate? Just a thought.
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Post by donkey on Jun 1, 2005 15:13:40 GMT -5
you first rebuttal to my first point was superb. you are right. i do not use caps at all. jj, on the other hand, does.
second rebutt... i never said jj was smarter than i. in fact i was kinda implying the opposite by picking on his grammer. i said he was more clever than i am.
third rebutt... you could have done better than that nicky. shame on you. if you notice the my first post, i modified it. it could be that i changed the team names around
about the name things... i think we should be team b and you guys should be team unb. thats a fair compromise i think.
like you said... your first point is weak and i also go on to say your second point is weak as well (refer to second rebutt). third point is good. good work. is it dumb luck that we both joined around the same time? i think not... neither do you. just a side note, i never was posting as nate. maybe i was showing off to my friend how i got kicked off, cuz i saved most of the conversations that i had with you. maybe jj thought that it would be fun to also join when i showed him how to get kicked off. maybe thats what happened. maybe it would be fun if you kicked both jj and i off. maybe that would fancy us all
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Post by Norelia on Jun 3, 2005 12:31:00 GMT -5
hmmmm......sorry nate but I'm gonna have to join Nick's team. I do believe that donkey and JJ are one and the same.......I have no clue how I'm going to defend that statement, but I think it just the same ;D
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Post by JumpinJehoshaphat on Jun 3, 2005 18:51:40 GMT -5
Alright Norelia, try this on for size. I know im going out of order, but I can’t wait any longer.
First point - Do you think I’m as annoying as Donkey? I mean com'on, hasn't he been kicked off already? Even when I was trying to write this, he kept Instant messaging me and I couldn't think cause the bar at the bottom was blinking non-stop.
Second point - Donkey believe's I use bad grammar, which may be true, but his example is ill placed.(“Me and Donkey already have ours.”)
Normally, I would put my name after his, but in this case I believe myself to be superior to donkey in every way. Even if it makes him look more intelligent then I, he will always be second. How can a man be superior over himself? I’ll answer this for you, he cannot. Therefore we are and can not be the same.
Third point - To put it nicely, Donkey prefers men. I like the ladies. He was born this way, and I'm now convinced he'll never change.
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Post by donkey on Jun 3, 2005 19:00:43 GMT -5
jj... are you fighting against me or them
good point on number one and two, and i'm not even going to argue your number three point, cuz you are my best friend, and that would mean that i would probably have a thing for you, and i don't think you would have engaged in that fight we had in our underwear the other night had you been convinced i was gay. therefore, i'm convinced that you're not convinced that i'm gay, and you're just being attacking me for whatever reason. lets use some team work steve so we don't lose.
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Post by Nick on Jun 4, 2005 2:48:54 GMT -5
you first rebuttal to my first point was superb. you are right. i do not use caps at all. jj, on the other hand, does. second rebutt... i never said jj was smarter than i. in fact i was kinda implying the opposite by picking on his grammer. i said he was more clever than i am. third rebutt... you could have done better than that nicky. shame on you. if you notice the my first post, i modified it. it could be that i changed the team names around about the name things... i think we should be team b and you guys should be team unb. thats a fair compromise i think. like you said... your first point is weak and i also go on to say your second point is weak as well (refer to second rebutt). third point is good. good work. is it dumb luck that we both joined around the same time? i think not... neither do you. just a side note, i never was posting as nate. maybe i was showing off to my friend how i got kicked off, cuz i saved most of the conversations that i had with you. maybe jj thought that it would be fun to also join when i showed him how to get kicked off. maybe thats what happened. maybe it would be fun if you kicked both jj and i off. maybe that would fancy us all ((Alright, I think that Donkey and J.J. are not the same for one main reason. Their IP address. J.J.'s is 4.225.83.254 and Donkey's is 24.208.178.232. Now I know that Nate is pretty darn smart but I don't know if he is smart enough to actually use two different computers simply for the different IP addresses which he somehow knew would not be logged. So, that brings me to believe that they are different. But, in any case, I shall continue the debate still saying that Donkey and J.J. are one)) I'm going to go against Donkey's rebuttals which were: 1. (Which used to be Number 2 but considering he just accepted my first point we will turn Number 2 into Number 1) He said, "i never said jj was smarter than i. in fact i was kinda implying the opposite by picking on his grammer. i said he was more clever than i am." Now, cleverness is usually related with IQ is it not? If someone has an IQ of 20 he usually is not that clever, yet if someone has an IQ of 170 is considered clever (unless he is mad). Being smart is also related to IQ is it not? If a man is smart his IQ usually is higher than average (unless the person giving the compliment of calling someone smart was below average, then the one receiving the compliment could be average) but either way, if someone is not smart his IQ would be considered lower. So, if A (Smartness) = B(IQ) and B(IQ) = C(Cleverness) then obviously A(Smartness) = C(Cleverness) 2. Okay, so he rebutts my point by modifying his previous post, lol. Okay, so if I state that Apples are Oranges in my first post, then someone states that obviously Apples are not Oranges later and that I am mad, then I go back and change it to say that Apples are Apples, it does not refute the point that the accuser made stating that I did post that Apples are Oranges before, so whether I modify my post or not makes no difference except that I realized a fault that I had made so in order to try and delete any evidence I go back and change the post. (Also, insulting the job that one does while making a point is not very nice, nor good when debating. If the point is bad in your mind, keep it bad in your mind, let others think what they want and try not to influence their opinion on how good or bad a point is when the only thing that really matters is how you counter that and possibly win the debate. Thanks) Alright, a point (yes, I am only putting in here for now) that I am going to make is this: 1. Donkey suggested that the team names should be J.J. and Donkey as Team B and Nick and Norelia as Team Unb. Now, in J.J.'s next post he stated that he could not wait to post his thoughts and his points so therefore, why spend the time of modifying your first post to accomodate a teammate that you are simply going to slam in your post. I mean, he called him a man-lover in his post. Now, what would be the purpose of changing the teams to what Donkey says? Making Donkey happy! And what would be the purpose of calling Donkey a man-lover? Trying to state a point that you don't like him and therefore if you do not like someone they obviously cannot be you unless you have a self-worth that is low which I doubt J.J. and Donkey have. (At least to my knowledge) But the point is not whether J.J. and Donkey have a low self-worth but rather that J.J., with his actions, contradicted himself. He changed the teams to suit Donkey's wishes and yet slammed Donkey in his post. ((Welcome to the team Norelia, what should we be called?))
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Post by Alegna on Jun 4, 2005 3:05:20 GMT -5
I'm going to go against Donkey's rebuttals which were: 1. (Which used to be Number 2 but considering he just accepted my first point we will turn Number 2 into Number 1) He said, "i never said jj was smarter than i. in fact i was kinda implying the opposite by picking on his grammer. i said he was more clever than i am." Now, cleverness is usually related with IQ is it not? If someone has an IQ of 20 he usually is not that clever, yet if someone has an IQ of 170 is considered clever (unless he is mad). Being smart is also related to IQ is it not? If a man is smart his IQ usually is higher than average (unless the person giving the compliment of calling someone smart was below average, then the one receiving the compliment could be average) but either way, if someone is not smart his IQ would be considered lower. So, if A (Smartness) = B(IQ) and B(IQ) = C(Cleverness) then obviously A(Smartness) = C(Cleverness) Nick i may be very wrong.. but when donkey said "jumping jo is more clever than i" i think he was mocking JJ's language error.. if you read the sentence JJ is more clever than i. it is a display of rather odd grammar..and we have already established that nate doesnt approve of bad grammar, and has already used JJ's grammar as a rebuttal. I think that he was being sarcastic, and implying that infact JJ is not 'more clever' than him. I may be wrong, Nate? Another thing, Nate referred to JJ as Steve. I dont know if he is that smart to slip in a different name. I think Steve is his name. Im definitely on your side Nate. [although im not sure if we're sposed to carry on with this debate, cause Nick admitted that they are different??]
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